Clearly, we still have some issues unresolved. The Chattanooga Times Free Press has a story up with Majors' comments on Fulmer and the current state of the Vols that he made at the Huntsville Quarterback Club last night.
I like Coach Majors, like his massive contribution to the program here. But I don't like it when anyone says they're going to refuse to comment because they're above it and that they don't know what's going on in the program right now, then follows up with things like "John Chavis has saved his job for ten years." Go read it.
Clearly Majors feels mistreated. He probably has good reason to be.
But that was sixteen years ago.
There's nothing about what he says here that I like. Whether he's been able to move on in his personal life or not, I fail to see the good or the maturity in any of this. Others may have a different opinion about it, but I don't see how any of what Majors is saying is good for the Tennessee family that he may, or may not, feel he's still a part of.
I certainly hope he does feel among us, because he and his family name are part of the backbone of the University of Tennessee.
So is Phillip Fulmer, who remains the head coach.
And so I also certainly hope that if Majors does still truly consider himself a part of Tennessee Football, he backs off the selfish comments despite what happened to him, and shows a level of maturity in keeping it to himself. This isn't doing us, or him, any good.
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Johnny Majors IS Tennessee Football and should be treated how you and many others are treating Fulmer...like he's immune from criticism. Majors was hosed and Fulmer was in on it. Everyone knows it, who cares if that's what he tells the Huntsville QB Club? He's been saying that stuff for years...only now it gets play because the other Fulmer fanatics are foaming at the mouth trying to get Fulmer fired.
If Majors is blasted for "taking the high road" and not talking about Fulmer's situation AND blasted for finally speaking probably 1% of what he actually feels...where's the logic? Do UT people actually hate Johnny Majors?
He's also right about Chavis (and Brooks).
And finally...many of the maniacal Fulmer supporters feel the way they do simply because they are "behind the team 100%". If you're behind the team, demand better leadership. Things like 2005 and 2008 don't happen at UT...yes, we ARE better than that.
One last note: Phil Fulmer did not lead UT to a national championship, Al Wilson did.
It's simple. Major's is right. I didn't read the entire comment but I can only imagine he was being hounded for comment; maybe not. But it doesn't change the fact that he is right.
There's no "probably" about it. Majors was ousted because of FULMER - period.
Fulmer wouldn't have his current job if it weren't for Majors.
Fulmer didn't put Tennessee football back on the map, Majors did.
Of course, I can understand you're limited perception, considering your youth. You don't recall the details as vividly as I do.
Here's my point: Fulmer isn't immune from criticism, and I haven't shyed away from holding him accountable the way the head coach at the University of Tennessee has to be. I've criticized his clock management, work with the special teams, chain of command issues with Dave Clawson and his general leadership of the program over the last month, and said that an exit strategy would be our best outcome.
But with anyone, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. And the same way that Fulmer deserves fair criticism, so does Johnny Majors.
For starters, I'm going to have a hard time with anyone who says "I'm above comparisons", then follows up with negative comparisons.
And I realize that it's not like Majors is on the fence about these issues. I completely agree that even what he said in Huntsville is probably a small fraction of what he'd really like to say. I completely agree that what happened to him in 1992 was, at the very very least, incredibly unfortunate.
I think Majors' name should be on display in Knoxville more than anyone other than the guy the stadium is named after. He is more deserving of a place in Neyland because of his overall contribution to Tennessee Football than any of the names that are up there currently for their on-field contributions to the program. Johnny Majors should've been recognized before Doug, Reggie or Peyton.
That said, I go back to the point I made in the post - either you're a member of the Tennessee Family or you're not.
Majors should be. He's got better credentials than anyone living.
But he may not want to be. And if that's the case, I think we'd all understand why and all agree how tragic it is.
But if you are a member of the Tennessee Family, as an ex-head coach, you simply do not say the things he said in Huntsville.
Unqualified blanket statements like the one about Chavis (and the one here about Al Wilson having more to do with 1998 than Phillip Fulmer) are a bad place to start. But regardless of that, regardless of the terrible way he was removed from his position, and even if there's truth in what he's saying...a former head coach doesn't publicly scrutinize the current head coach. Period. End of story.
I don't publicly say negative things about the pastor who was here before me. It's the reason you don't hear George Bush Sr. say what he really thinks about Bill Clinton say what he really thinks about W say what he really thinks about Obama. They don't do it because it's not good for the country and there's a "code of honor" or however you want to say it. No matter how much they may personally dislike each other or disagree with their policies. You just don't do it.
If Majors wants to be part of the Tennessee Family, he needs to back off this stuff. It's not doing Tennessee Football any good, and really, what good is it doing Coach Majors?
And if there are people who've blasted Majors for taking the high road in the past, to me that's the most ridiculous idea of all of this.
I'll also say that while it's true that I'll only turn 27 this month, and am thus not old enough to have seen anything of substance in person before 1988 when I started going to every game, I don't think that perspective changes the facts. Majors is getting a lot of love right now and Fulmer plenty of everything else.
But that also doesn't change fact. This thing with Majors has been an opportunity for plenty of Vol fans everywhere to engage in some revisionist history, and that is absurd.
I'm making the counter-argument to this point before it gets made on this blog:
If you want to give Majors credit for putting Tennessee back on the map, that's fine. I was around in 1989.
But if Majors put Tennessee back on the map, Fulmer took us to the next level.
You may like Majors more. You may be totally disgusted with Fulmer right now. But to take a coach with a .651 winning percentage in Knoxville who lost five or more games seven times, and more favorably compare him overall to a coach with a .755 winning percentage who's lost five or more games twice and won the National Championship...there's zero logic in that.
Majors took us from point A to point B. There was nothing fair about the way he left.
Fulmer took Majors' program, sure. But he didn't win the National Championship the very next year. He won it six years later with his recruits, his players, and his staff. From point B, Fulmer took us to the ultimate goal.
So while those older than me can certainly appreciate Majors more if they were around to see the program grow under his watch from his 4-7 debut season - the worst in modern Vol history - to the back-to-back SEC Championships in 1989/90...any comparison that puts Majors above Fulmer overall as a head coach is devoid of fact.
If you are under age 40 you really just cannot feel about what happened the way those of us "older" fans do. I honestly remember Fulmer when he was hired -by Johnny- for about five bucks a year. If you never knew Johnny, never wayched him coach, listened to him talk, watched him hold court at Ye' Old Steak House after a big win, or loss, then you just feel what we do.
Majors never won a national title. He didn't win as many games as Fulmer (total or %). I still remember Vol Calls in Phil's interim year and they were as loud then as they are now. Vol Nation wanted Johnny out, and for good reason. Right or wrong from a loyalty standpoint, it was the right thing to do & the program was MUCH better for it. After nearly 10 years of glory, the program has returned to the level that Johnny Majors brought it to. Maybe that's a reason for a new coach, but its no reason for Johnny to continue to be publicly bitter over a coach over succeeded him and took the program to heights that only General Neyland ever saw.
You guys have lost your minds. Majors took over an inept, overrated program and brought it back to the point to where both Will and Kroix fell in love with it.
The is one major difference in John Majors and Fulmer that no single person can disagree on: Majors had coaching staffs, Fulmer has friends. If Fulmer likes your persona, he will hire you. If Fulmer thinks that you will never try to sell him out for his cushy job (because he knows what that's like), he will hire you. If Fulmer thinks you have zero shot of being a head coach in the next ten years, he will hire you. Majors, on the other hand, hired and sent off coaches who went on to win National Championships and Super Bowls. He didn't possess (at the time) such an ego that he was afraid to hire a coach due to being stabbed in the back. Of all the potential successors being talked about for UT in 2009, none coached with Fulmer as head coach, those within the UT "family" are all from Majors' period.
I can't get on you "young guys" very much about this, because I'm roughly the same age. However, to follow this administration like a doe-eyed puppy dog is ridiculous. This has been going on for far too long. If a fan truly loves UT, he or she wants whats best for it...because it's the right thing to do. I'd like to remind everyone that in the world of college football, perception is, indeed, reality. If Fulmer is on camera year after year looking as if he has no clue about what's going on during a football game, fans assume as much. Why shouldn't they? Sooner or later, somebody is going to have to step up to the tyrannical Fulmer regime and ensure that they hit the bricks.
I say all of this because I still sport my UT license plates, I still wear my gear, and I still talk about us winning out. We are better than this, men, and deep down you know it.
One more thing, Al Wilson did "miracle" our asses to 13 victories in 1998, plain and simple. If you don't believe me, ask anyone on that team.
Yes, there is a right way and wrong way to do things. Maybe Majors should keep his mouth shut. I'm the same age as you and bleed orange and white. However, I don't blame Johnny one bit. He IS Tennessee Football. Philip Fulmer is just a former decent player and the current coach. 99% of the fan base would not know Fulmer's name had he not been a coach.
Fulmer deserves everything coming his way. This is about the student athletes and the University of Tennessee, not Phil Fulmer or Johnny Majors. Fulmer, with the backing of some fans, made it about himself 16 years ago instead of letting Johnny go out the right way. Now why should Johnny or anyone else sit back and let Fulmer try to turn it around or go out with dignity? If I remember correctly, Majors had a losing season too. What did he do, won the SEC title and Sugar Bowl the next year. Majors time wasn't necessarily done. Fulmer's has been done for 3 or 4 years. The guy can't handle the mental aspect of coaching student athletes. I would argue he never could, he just had assistants and a few great leaders like Al Wilson and Peyton Manning who could. Those guys graduate and your top assistant leaves, that ability is gone. In life, what goes around comes around and Fulmer's time is coming. While I don't enjoy watching the program go down in flames like this, I am glad to see Fulmer finally get what's coming to him for what he did to Majors, a true Tennessee legend and his mentor as a coach. Johnny is an old man and a Tennessee man through and through. We all know he wants to see Tennessee do well, but let him enjoy watching Fulmer take the heat. While it might not be right, we'd all be the same way if we were him. Revenge is a bitch!
That's a great point about the difference between Majors and Fulmer in hiring staff - but it doesn't necessarily mean that Fulmer's way is so much worse.
Granted, Johnny brought in Kippy Brown, Dom Capers, Chavis & Cutcliffe, Walt Harris, Al Saunders, Tommy West and Ron Zook. That's an impressive list.
Fulmer promoted Chavis & Cutcliffe, did hire Lovie Smith and re-hired Kippy, and while he hasn't had the same pedigree and does keep guys around (including Brooks and Caldwell, which I think we'd all agree has been a good move), he's also had success with guys like Rodney Garner, Kevin Ramsey, and maybe even Trooper Taylor one day...guys who haven't gone on to become NFL head coaches, but are very good at what they do everywhere they go.
And obviously, I've got no problem with Al Wilson...but don't forget that he didn't even play in three games that season. Al Wilson is the reason we beat Florida. Peerless Price and Marcus Outzen are the reasons we beat FSU. And Fulmer ran the show. Unlike other sports, it's harder to win a title on the shoulders of one player in football, unless it's your quarterback. Al Wilson is the man...but let's not take anything away from Fulmer in 1998.
Some that were left off of your list during Majors' tenure alone.
Joe Avezanno - NFL ST Coordinator (1980)
Jim Bates - NFL Defensive Coordinator/Head Coach (1989)
Ken Donahue - College Head Coach/NFL executive (1985-1988)
Jon Gruden - NFL Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator (GA, 1985-86)
Mike Holmgren - NFL Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator (GA, 1983-85)
*It's also worth noting that Lovie Smith was hired during Majors' tenure as well, but did most of his prominent work with UT during Fulmer's "regime".
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